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The Hidden Art of Emojis at Work

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The Hidden Art of Emojis at Work


Juan and Britney dive deep into personal branding in the workplace. From quirky outfits to memorable desk setups, and the surprisingly powerful use of emojis, discover ways to stand out in corporate culture. They also share insights on how Gen Z can build their brand at work and offer tips for interns aiming for full-time offers.

00:00 Introduction

00:33 Personal Branding

00:46 Showcasing Personality

01:11 Outfit Spotlight

02:27 Workplace Dynamics

05:22 Desk Details

14:16 The Emoji Effect

23:04 Feedback and Asking Questions

30:15 Final Tips

18:24 Spiral Moments of the Week

31:41 Conclusion

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Intro:

Down with the ru, down with the ru.

Juan:

Getting down with the Ruh, Ruh, Ruh. Hi everyone. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of They Deserve To Know Duh, duh. Woo for today, we have a very exciting topic we're gonna dive deeper into, which is personal branding and what it means to be Gen Z and how to build your brand at work.

Britney:

Oh my God, it's a really exciting topic, you guys. Something that I think Juan and I have excelled at. So really excited to be sharing some tips today. Before we get there, though. I wanna show off something, I wanna show off something. Okay? Okay, let's do it. Okay last time I talked about a spiral moment being makeup, right? As y'all know, Juan and I, we love spending money. So basically I had to get glammed up for you baddies today. Hope y'all appreciate the looksy. I hope you guys enjoy the glam. I'm be so excited. I want to look pretty for you all. That being said do you wanna jump us over to our outfits?

Juan:

Okay. We're gonna go through outfits four outfits today, as you can see. These are Canadian tuxedos, uhoh ro, which is also supposed to be called a Texan Tuxedo. Oh, which I didn't know existed or was a thing, the Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, but should we get closer to the camera?

Britney:

Okay.

Juan:

Okay. So yes, I am wearing a tank top today, Ru Row with a Canadian tux. Yeah, full on denim. Denim and denim. Yeah,

Britney:

same thing too. It's very cowboy carter esque raw. You are this is thrifted from the crossroad in market. What is that Duboce area? Yeah. It's a Levi's and it's like the San Francisco brand, which is awesome'cause we're in San Francisco again. Yeah. And ponytail pony. Juan and I do the little bubbles, but today I did a braid next episode of Have a Bubble for Mr. Juan. Love it. But there's no outfits for today. Aw. Hope you guys are enjoying the little thing we have going on. If you guys Yeah. have any recs,

Juan:

Uhhuh let us know what we should be wearing next. We love wearing new things and like trying outfits

Britney:

and we'll probably buy it so like we'll buy it. Just

Juan:

Just send it. Just send it. Let

Britney:

us know. Us know if you a manic

Juan:

episode of the week, so just send us the outfit. You wanna say it spiral

Britney:

moment in?

Juan:

Exactly.

Britney:

But you mentioned it already. You tease it up already. Important topic for today, Juan. Yes.

Juan:

We're talking about personal branding and. Everything is so overwhelming when you're in corporate, right? Everything's

Britney:

so confusing sometimes

Juan:

everything's so confusing, girl. Sometimes so confusing sometimes. And in corporate, something that's really important is personal branding and understanding how you show up authentically at work while also making sure you're strategic in what it is that you're trying to accomplish. Also always just quantifying the impact that you have in your job. And not showing off necessarily, but like also making sure people know what your brand is. I

Britney:

fully agree and it's something that I think will only help you in your career. Not only will people remember you and be like, oh wow, like I have an issue with something. I'm gonna reach out to this person with someone I do want you to share on. So on Juan's desk, you have a whiteboard. What it, yeah. This is Juan's brand in a nutshell, and to the day, I'm like, yes, and yes. I want you to share that whiteboard.

Juan:

Okay. So in my desk, I have a, so basically I have been in the role for four years now and I've seen a lot of clients. I've done a lot of digital marketing. And on this whiteboard says. PhD in ads. So

Britney:

slay,

Juan:

I have PhD in ads and my MD is in scaling projects. So I have an a PhD in Ads MD in scaling projects, and also I have office hours and so on my little whiteboard on my office, not my office, my desk, it literally says Office hours Tuesday through Thursday. At this time, through this time. And people walk by and they're like, professor Alba. I'm like, period. Period. I am Professor Alba. So

Britney:

I had to put you on the spot there because it truly is one of those moments of personal branding. You make it something, it can seem so difficult, but if you're not taking those little opportunities where a whiteboard on your desk to just share what you're good at. I think it's a missed opportunity and I'm glad that Juan has made it a point to be like yes, and yes, if you need help, come to this office hour.

Juan:

Come to these office. And when I think about my office hours, for example, let me just give you the inside scoop. When I think of my office hours, when you're helping other people, it's great, but you also need to be able to document it, right? So I love helping as many people as I can, but I just need to write down some data as to. Who it is that I'm helping? What is it? What accounts am I helping them on? How much revenue goes through those accounts, right? So keeping literally a physical tab of who are the people that I'm helping, what's the impact that I'm having? Just so I can then talk about it with my manager and be like, Hey, look at all these people that I helped. This is how much like revenue I helped, like with my clients or with these other people's clients. And I think it's really important.

Britney:

Oh, a hundred percent. So

Juan:

think of fun ways, Britney. While we're on the topic of desks, what is in your desk, miss Girl?

Britney:

Okay, so my desk is also very Gen Z, and I will share our desk concept right now at our office is open seating. So desks are not assigned right now, but my desk I have these Patrick's, if you go to my desk, you like literally the Patrick Star. Like Patrick Star. And it's two of them. And one of them, actually one of my account executives gifted, he gifted it to me because he was like, this reminds me of you. And so he gifted me this like Patrick. And now I have these two little Patrick's, I'll see if I can drop a photo right here. Maybe one of your wife wore you. Yeah. Boop. Boop. And I think that has helped me become synonymous with not only someone that like, loves SpongeBobs, loves memes and loves communicating emojis, but also someone that's really good at revenue. And the concept of that is that the Patrick has like a$3, like bills, like$3 bills. And it's comes from the fact that I just feel like I'm really good at that. I definitely do think that desks are important, even if it's this little cubicle you guys like. Make your desk, your space. You spend eight to five there. You might as well make it a comfortable moment for you and hopefully try to share some stuff too.

Juan:

I agree. I think something that Gen Z or like millennials do, right? And not to talk down on millennials. Love y'all. Millennials, you are my heart. But y'all put like family pictures or you make it really personal. I would say if you're Gen Z, I would just make it personal, but make it fun and make it quirky and like work related. And make it memorable. Make it memorable. So something I literally bought, so my brand also is like Gen Z, right? And I always talk about TikTok shop. Oh my god, I love TikTok shop. And I literally bought that like little machine that has like. Pop sockets and I literally put it on my desk for people who like just wants to come by and play with it.

Britney:

They play with it though. Thats okay. And they come and play it. They're like, oh my God, this is so fun.

Juan:

Oh my God. And then I tell'em all my manic episodes on TikTok shop. They eat it up.

Britney:

They eat it up. I will say when you can be funny, I feel like that's also like how we have built connections is that we're also just very funny people. Like I feel like that humor just comes from eh, like you try not saying, you're saying things don't take it too

Juan:

seriously. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely

Britney:

think like there are also people too, and if they're like in your work, and obviously depend, it's obviously very dependent, like the job you're in, but I do think like managers, your coworkers are people too, and being funny I think just goes such a long way. So I agree. Definitely agree with that. Aw. It's all about being memorable and like I love my little Patrick's. When I saw Juan's desk, I was like, this is Juan's desk. I already knew. I was like, this is his desk, because I know for, he happens to be really good at scaling projects. I know that. If I wanted help with that, which I have needed help with that Juan is really good. I being able to voice Hey, I need to do this. So I definitely think it comes down to like just finding things to make your desk. You and hopefully people start to remember you.

Juan:

Okay. This is random. Are you a monitor, girly?

Britney:

I am a monitor. Girly.

Juan:

Really? Wait, yeah. I hate monitors. I don't know. I think I'm just like used to like being in college and having my little laptop and just getting everything done there.

Britney:

Hot Take.

Juan:

Yeah, hot take. Are you guys a monitor, girly or not? Because I feel like, I don't know, is that a Gen Z thing? Maybe we can make a survey about this and figure out. Do people like monitors or not? And what's Gen Z's status on this?

Britney:

Are you calling me millennial? I, that millennial love them? No millennial monitors. Okay. Wait, I have a monitor. Girly pop. I fear I am a I just to go able to plug in my laptop and then I can see like the two screens. I'm very much a dual like screen moment girl.

Juan:

Okay. Also I know someone at my job who has an iPad, which I think is like so interesting. Oh, okay. You connect your iPad and then. And your computer, which also, could be like a hybrid. So let us know. Are you doing iPads? Are you doing monitor?

Britney:

What are you doing? Are you doing your little 10 inch screen? Oh my god, I don't know. Poor eyes, Juan.

Juan:

I know. Okay. Also, something I was crazy about me is I was the first class in high school to have only iPads.

Britney:

Oh, so

Juan:

my entire high school career. Like my AP classes was textbooks, but all my other non-AP classes was all on the iPad, which is really interesting. Oh,

Britney:

interesting.

Juan:

Yeah. Okay. And so maybe that's just like something unique. I'm like an iPad kid. Like I literally play iPad every day. Unique. Unique, literally.

Britney:

Wow. Are you

Juan:

a iPad

Britney:

girly. I had one in college. She was cute for keeping time. I'm not gonna lie to you. Oh, cute. That's it. Not the watch. I would have her like open and then I would just have it like timing me as I was like studied and stuff. But I'm very much like a monitor girl for sure. Oh yeah. Interesting. I don't know why I never thought about that being the other thing. Yeah. Let us know though, guys actually let us know our monitors in. Or out. Or

Juan:

out. Yeah. Are

Britney:

they in or out? Or

Juan:

out?

Britney:

I do wanna question a little bit deeper too. Juan, you made a great brand about branding, projects, selling them all. How did you make that your brand? Tell us a little more about that.

Juan:

Oh my gosh. Okay, so here's my core belief about working in corporate and also maybe specifically sales, but just overall in corporate, people want to be entertained.

Britney:

Oh, we did talk about this in our first episode. Yes, there's two types peoples in the world,

Juan:

two types. People are there. I don't know, what are they? Watch your first episode anyway. I believe that people want to be entertained because everyone is there. You're there to do your job, right? Everyone has things outside of work. So something I think about that always has made me very successful is how can I bring things with excitement and energy to make them fun? Because. Nobody wants to fill out that spreadsheet. Nobody wants to take extra work and do these things, but if you make it engaging and like a fun experience for them, they're gonna like it. It's like when you have a kid, right? Like you wanna, if you want them to eat the vegetables, make it a fun experience for'em to eat the vegetables. True. Don't just tell'em to eat the vegetables. And so that's how I apply my concepts to scaling projects. I always think of ways to make it fun, and I actually bring a lot of of my experience from like Britney, because Britney is incredible at doing emojis. Like I literally reply with emojis now, but like Britney is the queen. Oh my God. Her stickers. I start sending people stickers. You guys should see some of these stickers, guys. I think we can put some over here, girl. I don't know, girl. But it's incredible. But that's my philosophy. What about you?

Britney:

I agree too. I definitely do think mean you brought it up already. And I brought up earlier too, the stickers for me became synonymous with Britney, like in college and high school. Like I made a point to always find the randomest emojis and I would send it to chats and then one day at work, this is the first manager we had someone, it might have been even been Juan, someone shared like a success story. And I reacted with the gorilla emoji at work guys, this is a gorilla. Like a woo

Juan:

like, yeah. And it was just like

Britney:

to like pounce,'cause you're like. You're feeling like the baddest and you are the baddest. So like, why not you're pouncing on this. So I sent a gorilla emoji and ever since then, like the legacy was made, like truly like everyone now used to the legacy, like they use a gorilla emoji, they'll use like a slay button. And I think it was just an easy way for me to share who I was and like scale it out literally. Yeah. There's also like Patrick Emojis also, which I just shared. I love Patrick. Patrick. There's one

Juan:

with Patrick with nails. I love that one. I always send that one too

Britney:

because I just think it's so funny and once you start doing that, you become the first person to do it. And like all it takes is one other person to

Juan:

to follow along, follow, and

Britney:

then bam, it becomes like a normal

Juan:

thing. It's your thing. So like Britney literally would just start these emoji trains and then everyone was like. Even if it was not her work, it was somebody else's success.

Britney:

Yeah.

Juan:

Because Britney's related to it by everyone using her emojis. That's how she became known as a very successful person as well.

Britney:

It's true. We'll do an emoji breakdown eventually. There's also a rat in the skunk we use frequently. Yes. For now we'll keep it cute. We'll share the gorilla one. Yeah. Because it really I think it just takes something funny like that and. It really just makes you memorable. And I feel like people think it's funny and then people would just wanna do it.'cause it's like, why are you reacting with the gorilla? What? And yeah, I just check our link

Juan:

tree. We have some ideas in there. Oh, so true. But guys, don't be afraid to use these emojis. Like literally we challenge everyone test sending emoji or like a fun emoji on Slack or whatever channel you use. Just try it and see if people, and just keep using it. Maybe use it for a week.

Britney:

Yeah. And

Juan:

then see how your life will change after that.

Britney:

I'm telling you guys, it makes it so fun. Like I think it's so funny and like the stickers, I wish that our company let us use stickers. I think that they are so funny also, but and even with my personal friends and my family, they know I'm gonna react with a sticker. My dad also now makes it a point to react with a sticker also. Are you serious?'cause he knows. Yes. And one of my friends actually created his little bitmoji and now he responds with like

Juan:

Bitmoji.

Britney:

Like he knows to respond with that. So he just matches the energy, and point is hopefully other people will too.

Juan:

Yeah. So definitely, and I think we will definitely go into. Non-verbal communication. Oh, true. Later on. Yes. Which is gonna be some, a huge topic, something we're both very passionate about, but a lot of this work just translates to how can you communicate with people non-verbally, right? And it's almost like psychological and that you have to. Make your brand known for something. And for us it's just always been being funny but also being high achievers. Yeah. And just having fun with like actually achieving and doing well.

Britney:

Exactly. And I feel like for our job too, like we mentioned, we're in sales and I think it's like what helped me also find my brand besides like the emojis pieces too, was like I loved working on revenue. Like I feel like that was something that I found so much success with and that I also was able to collaborate with leadership with. And I do think if you can find something that about your brand, that helps either other teammates like learn something more efficiently, or if your manager can help sponsor you on this, which is what revenue unlocked for me was I worked with multiple managers on different clients. I think it definitely just helps you build up your brand while also like simultaneously like building up your career

Juan:

a hundred percent. I think

Britney:

that's a totally, like a fair shot there.

Juan:

Okay. But also I do think we should also give a quick warning about this. Okay. Because how do you feel about doing these emoji things with clients?

Britney:

No I will, I am, I will caveat with that. I will say I, I do work in a commerce role, which means that Black Friday and Cyber Monday are really important for us. And when I was sending them emails, I would add. Say, for example, it was a fitness equipment client. I would add little dumbbells. Okay. And they thought it was so funny. Oh, they liked it. Yes. But I think it definitely depends, like same thing with your leadership and same thing with your team and your clients. It definitely will depend on the relationship you have with them. You obviously wanna say professional. Yes. And I think that only comes with a long-term relationship with a client is that, you can joke around, you hear about the vacation to like Mexico, for example. At that point, I think you're in a good spot to send emojis.

Juan:

Yeah. Or

Britney:

another thing,

Juan:

I know we're talking a lot about emojis. Something else that we like did or I did in the beginning of my career, I stopped is. Puns. Oh, people love a good pun. And like for example, my name is Juan. The Juan. And Juan Soup, blah, blah, blah, Juan direction. They're so

Britney:

now you happy? He's an arsenal of this. Literally, guys

Juan:

like there is no

Britney:

like he is ready.

Juan:

No. The personal

Britney:

brand

Juan:

is so set. It's ready guys. Or like anything Juan won, that was also another way to captivate people. Yeah. And I know there's another girl in our team who was really great at puns. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another great way to build if you don't wanna maybe do your emojis, do the puns right. Try to be a little bit quirky. Yes.

Britney:

It definitely just comes down to also what you wanna be known at. And I think you mentioned we're talking a lot about like emoji, puns. I think it's a way to be funny and to also like share who you are while also being at work. There's definitely other ways to, like scaling projects I think is really impactful. We are gonna have a deep session on that later on too. Yes. Which we're excited to share about that. But also again, I think having the agenda is something I noticed about Juan and I think I do the same thing too, where on my agenda I would have Britney, my manager's name and then I would add the gorillas. Ah,

Juan:

I love

Britney:

that. Just so keep the brand going, but you also call your agenda something special.

Juan:

My agenda something special. I actually, you

Britney:

call it Juan and only. No.

Juan:

Oh,

Britney:

You call it Juan on Juan.

Juan:

Juan On Juan. Yes. Yes. Girl. Juan On Juan. Or or if I do a training, I'll be like, cold call training Juan on Juan, right? Yes. Find fun ways, emojis, puns. That is our biggest lesson for today.

Britney:

Yes. 100%. It all just comes with like also testing stuff out and I think what was I gonna say? Letting leadership know what you're up to. Yes. That's something I think that I've also been trying to do more of is also like just making sure like you guys are going to leadership with ideas, with maybe with problems and solutions, but also Hey, I'm thinking about this idea. What do you think about this? And I think getting their buy-in I think is also just a part of that personal brand for sure.

Juan:

Totally. I hear you. Okay. I know we are talking a lot about corporate. Let's do a quick shift and then we'll come back into our final. Let's do it last bit of today. What are we gonna talk about? Britney? Spiral moment. Spiral moment of the week.

Britney:

The we e we're we. Spiral moment of the week. I'm so excited. Oh my gosh. Okay. Juanny spiral

Juan:

moment of the week. Okay. I have spiraled on trips this July. I am literally going to Mexico, then we're going to Italy with our friends. Wow. I'm so excited. We're gonna have a fun episode for y'all there, hopefully. And then I'm going to New York. We're going to New York to stay with our bestie. So a lot of spiraling in buying trips, hotels, trip planning, like literally I am so excited for summer. It's hot girl, summer hot girl. Y'all better get ready. Follow us on our Instagram to stay up to date as to what we're doing at.@theydeservetoknowpodcast and we will have a lot of fun updates for you. But anyway, that is my spiral moment. Britney, take it away.

Britney:

I also have a couple. So let's see. Okay, so last week I did go on my first vacation in a long time as I was landing in Puerto Rico for the first time, my first time ever, I was buying my flight to Italy. So when I came out with my friend, we're waiting for an Uber, and then she's what are you, ot? I'm like, I'm literally buying a flight right now for my Europe trip. That was crazy. Four days later, I'm flying back to San Francisco home and I'm buying another flight to another Europe trip. I have, but you know what? It's Europe, girl summer. I wanna, travel, see all my best seasonal. So I'm excited to do that. And then my mother spiral was, I actually bought Juan and have on a jewelry grind. I feel like we always buy jewelry when we travel. And so I did buy two new rings. Oh, I have this one and then this one too, which I'm a. Obsessed with, I've been wearing them like nonstop. I really have been trying to build my gold collection. So yes, I will say that was also a spiral moment and I all this in pr so forever, I think really special to me and instead of buying like shirts and stuff, now I feel like I'm gonna start buying jewelry. I like, that'll be a lot more special to me.

Juan:

I love that. Something interesting that you mention is traveling or like why our spiral moments are traveling. I think low key.

Britney:

Ooh.

Juan:

People are scared to say that they're traveling, but I think it's low key, a very great way to stand out too in the corporate space. Oh, because that is a really great way to connect with people, right? You can always just be like, for example, I have a lot of clients that are all over the United States. Anytime I talk about, oh, I'm going on this trip, right? It's a really great way to connect. So I think that's also like a great segue into what we're gonna talk about next.

Britney:

You're fair. Like I think that is a good sequence right?'cause we wanna be able to talk about like people, and I think something specifically we wanna talk about, it's June, you guys, it's the first date or couple first days of the summer. Woo. Hot Girls Summer. Yep. Point is that I think a lot of interns. Have started their first shots. Yes. Hello, interns intern. Hopefully you're watching. Please subscribe. Yes, and I think we both had really cool internships when we were juniors in college. Yes. A couple years ago now. I think that I wanna focus on two different segments here. One advice for people, gen Z in corporate, but also maybe a little different segmentation because our interns are also Gen Z. Maybe what that's like when you are. First starting your first corporate internship. Yeah.

Juan:

Dang. For me, it was a crazy experience. I interned at Warner Brothers in LA doing movie marketing, so that was my very first internship ever, being in the corporate space. Which I think is just like a crazy experience because. I am from Sacramento and I was studying at Berkeley, and so this internship was literally in SoCal on my first day of my internship, or the day before my internship starts, I find out that I'm scammed and I don't have housing anymore. So I show up to la I don't have a house. I, need to just figure out where I'm staying. Ended up working out, okay. I got the money back. But my experience in corporate, I think was very eye-opening, especially in a place like entertainment where it's more traditional than a place like tech. Where it's more hierarchical, right? Like dressing up, being in office at very strict hours, making sure that you're able to you can't just jump communications to people that are higher than you. People I feel like are just less. Accepting of these things, you have to be more respectful of the hierarchy. So my experience was crazy, but in a very positive way. I learned a lot. It was such a fun experience, literally to this day. Why I wanna move back to la watch your third episode, or sorry, our second episode. Second, watch your second episode if you wanna learn more about our city's topic. But anyway, that was my experience.

Britney:

Can I ask you though what do you think was your brand. As an intern. Yes. And how did you build a brand? It was your first time having a, like a corporate space, like it sounds like it was very hierarchical I'm just curious, like what was your brand and how did you think you made it as an intern?

Juan:

Yeah. I think when you're an intern, what's really important is to be very curious. And that was my, definitely my brand as an intern. So I was interning for the Latin American marketing team and my team had offices all over Latin America and one of the biggest offices, the biggest revenue generating, like countries that we have was Brazil. And so one of the things that I did was like, I leaned into that curiosity and I started learning Portuguese with the rest of my team, and that was something that really made me send out with my VP and made really great connections that way. People that I still know to this day. Hi, if you're watching from wb. Oh, ro. Yes, I feel just being curious, coming in with coming hot, just. Like being humble. Make sure not to be like I know everything.'cause you don't know more than these people that are working full time. But true. But just come in with oh, I'm excited to learn. And people always want to be helping people who are younger.

Britney:

I agree. One 2%. There's two things that I'm like hearing there too. It's definitely like being curious. And I think like one thing that I always like as an intern, I still do it to this day, is I call it a spicy question doc. And I'm not sure who started it. Oh, but as an intern I think it was my intern manager actually. And basically whenever someone would ask a good question that I was like, dang, I wish I would've thought about that. I made it a point to write down these questions and to the day I still do this. So I do this with like managers, with like head of industries, even like, whenever they have a good question, I'm like. Dang, write it down. I wish I would've thought about that. And so now I have a spicy questions doc where I like have all these different questions that like one day I hope if I ever need to, I can reference this back and be like this is a good question for a leader. I definitely think that comes with being cur curious and like also just learning.'cause you're an intern, you're only like, what, maybe 20, maybe 21. And I definitely feel like that's also like a big piece of it as well.

Juan:

Yeah. You don't have any commitment when you're an intern, so just make sure you are able to. Stand out with that curiosity. And I love that way of like bringing the questions.

Britney:

Yeah. And I think like also don't be afraid to take projects above your internship if it's possible. Obviously it's different depending like which vertical you're in, and like what business unit you're in. But definitely if you know there's something or a way to build community, whether that's like putting on a panel or if it's like. I'm trying to think like maybe like a bowling knife for the team or whatever. Yeah, don't be afraid to also do things outside of your core role basically. As an intern, it sounds daunting because you're so new and all, but if you have a support from other. Teammates or your manager? I definitely do think it's wor like it's worthy to try to build community outside of just your core role.

Juan:

Totally. Britney, you interned at our current company. Which is like crazy and a huge accomplishment.'cause those internships are so highly coveted and very prestigious. How would you give any advice to people who want to get that return offer?

Britney:

Oh my gosh. Honestly, you guys, you have to be memorable. Yes, I think it's all about doing well in your current role and whatever those KPIs slash metrics are, yes, make sure you do your best to hit them, but it's all about having a good story. I know for me, I had my manager, my mentor, who I was close to, and I may wanted to make sure Hey, when it comes down to it, I want you to be able to advocate for me. How can I help you advocate for me? And it came down to be like, okay, I wanna hear more about your story. If you miss this one metric, tell me why you missed it and how you learn from that experience. Now you improved on that in the next time. It just comes down to, again, building that personal brand, trying to do more things outside of your current core role. And just trying to be memorable. And again, that comes with what your brand is. Yeah.'cause again, you can, if you have 10 people that all hit their metrics or all did really on their KPIs, but you have two that you happen to know their life story, you happen to know that they're active on LinkedIn. You happen to know that. They wanted to build community because la da. I think that is so much more impactful.

Juan:

It's all

Britney:

about being very well-rounded, I would say.

Juan:

And also like part of that is you mentioned having people who advocate for you, having mentors, and we talked about this in episode two. Watch it if you haven't done it yet. But. You need to have people that are able to support you and are going to want to keep you when they have those like conversations about retention. So make sure you have the right relationships. Not just being friends with like your other interns that are in your cohort, but actually like making sure you make an effort to build a relationship with people that are working full time or you're hiring managers or even people that are higher than that.

Britney:

And we would do, we give like tactical recommendation in that second episode? I definitely recommend, it's more so for like full-time, but I will say as an intern, you're trying to embody to get that full-time return offer and I think a lot of the advice we gave there will be relevant for your experience now. Totally. Now I have a question for you, Juani. Okay. Okay. Say maybe someone's already maybe in their full-time role. But maybe they're a little bit shyer. Maybe they don't, okay. Yeah. Maybe they're just a little bit less like outgoing, i'm curious, like what are some other ways that maybe, or some advice even that you can give to them to hopefully help also build their personal brand?

Juan:

I think we'll get into the nonverbal communication piece Later, which is how you can become more, more likable. And some of the things I'll share just as a quick teaser is, for example, making sure that you're seen, that you're visible, right. If you're sitting at the, in the back of the DA or the table. If you're not taking a seat at the table, if you're not. Bringing things up, people are not going to like you as much as if you're just always present. There's this like actually psychological effect that people have where they like you more the more they see you and the more exposure they have to you. And this is actually really well studied. So I would say just show up and be consistent. And. We will have other tips like synchronicity, for example. So if someone, you sees them wearing one thing, try to match what they're wearing, try to eat the same thing that they're eating, just like very subconsciously, you're gonna, they're gonna like you that way. I don't know. I love psychology, so I'll, talk about this for hours. But yeah. What do you think? New episode for sure. Literally new episode coming up. New episode

Britney:

coming. Definitely agree with you all too. I think like you were like hinting at it don't be afraid to like. Say something like, I know that's not the best advice because you're a bit shyer, but truly for you to be able to succeed in your career. You need to be open to sharing your ideas. And I think that just comes with also just having management like you don't be afraid. Maybe start off with like a simple lunch even where like maybe you're just engaging more in conversation. You're trying to be more of an active participant. And again, I think that question talk is like, what? Help me also build confidence, like when speaking with leaders, because I was like, okay, I wanna be able to ask you really good questions. So and don't be afraid to prepare, like I love a good agenda. Prepare. We talked about this too. We're a Capricorn

Juan:

agenda. Capricorn. We love an agenda moment.

Britney:

And I do think that helped me stick to a guide and I was like, okay, at this lunch or in this meeting, I wanna be able to talk about this and this. Cool. Let me do that. And I think like again, don't be afraid to get feedback from your manager, from your teammates. Be like, Hey. During this team meeting, I shared something about this and this, I'm curious I want to hear about what you think about my public speaking. I'm curious what you think about my idea. And at that point you have to be okay and comfortable with maybe not getting rejected, but maybe getting some tough feedback. Because at the end day, like that's all it takes for you to become a better professional. It's gonna be being able to improve where gaps are.

Juan:

Yeah. And here's one last thing while we're on the topic of feedback. Always act excited to hear feedback. At the end of the day, feedback is a gift yes, that you can receive from people. Agreed, and good feedback is especially like a treasure. And so when people are giving you feedback, act like you're very eager to learn and to actually listen to what they're saying. Ask them, Hey, if you wear my shoes, gimme advice. How would you do it differently when it comes to feedback? And that's a really good way. If you're on the shyer side where you don't know how to speak about your accomplishments, then that's a really good way to like segment that in. Okay. Some of the things that I've worked on are these, you're telling me this is great feedback. I'm so excited. Thank you so much. Like how would you do. This accomplishment that I had in a better way. And that's subconsciously just like telling em, oh, this person not only achieved, but they're actually excited to get better and learn.

Britney:

Exactly. And it comes down to again, being curious, leading with that curiosity mindset. And again, don't, seeking out feedback I think is such a good skill to have. Like truly the same way that you would want someone to be honest with you. Like you can be honest with them too. I think there's two steps here too. Giving feedback is also getting feedback, number one, but giving feedback I think is also a tougher skill to develop. It's something that I think I'm still learning even now, but once you out those two things, like you're helping other people also be better by helping or learning yourself, what can make you a better person. Totally. So yeah, it just comes down to a full circle and again, just giving back. So yeah,

Juan:

exactly.

Britney:

Wow. Wow. This was so

Juan:

fun, guys.

Britney:

Aww. Yes. We're gonna miss you guys. I hope that this was helpful too. And if you guys are testing stuff out, whether it's the fricking emojis or it's like maybe going to a lunch and having a question doc, let us know how it is. Let us know if you also have feedback for us. Maybe learning as well. What if your feedback. Maybe we're not, funny enough, I don't, whatever it's maybe need something

Juan:

more catchy. Let us know. Let us know. Maybe we're d Lulu.

Britney:

We dunno. Yeah. So just let us know. We will.

Juan:

Feedback's a gift, guys. Feedback is a gift. And you know what's also a gift? Commenting, subscribe and sharing. Guys, we need to fund our Coachella. Artist passes for next year, please. And we cannot do this without you. So if you could please subscribe to our channel, please comment and share with your friends. We really appreciate it. That is how you're gonna fund this podcast and help us continue coming.

Britney:

Help us fun. Our next spiral moment, please. Exactly.

Juan:

And then we'll film our Coachella experience. Ah, just kidding. One day. One day. We'll get there.

Britney:

It'll be so sick. But yes guys. Aw.

Juan:

Thank you guys for everything. We love you so much. And we will see you again for our next episode.